Using Movers as Follow Spots

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Pink LD
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Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by Pink LD »

I am aware that I am not the only one that does this in smaller venues where I don't have access to bringing in spot ops, using movers as follow spots.
Problem is that I don't always get the time to dial in a spot focus in at least 9 positions for the show I am using for this example. Under conventional means I would run my follow spot positions from a conventional console and once a focus is dialed to a point, I make it a sub-master. I can dial in my entire 3 hour show from just the first 3 songs.
But as I convert this show to PC based programming I wanted to try doing my focus points from palettes, rather than from a wing console. But the software posed a number of problems:
  • 1. The moment I activated Pan or Tilt on a fixture, they would both become active...
    2. The only real way to focus during a live show was to open the scene in Editor for whichever focus point I wanted to update and then save it. 9 basic points in my show, 3 lights to each point would mean opening and adjusting 27 scenes in Editor while running the show is a hefty task.
So here is what I did to make it work, and like making any palette its time consuming to build but once its done its there to be tweaked at each venue and ultimately streamline the process:
  • 1. I made a generic single channel, fixture not in 3D view. and even left the channel description as a question mark. Then I labelled it as "PAN". I made another one and labelled it as "TILT".
    2. I assigned them to unused DMX channels and then used the DMX INPUT/OUTPUT screen to assign and used the DMX OUTPUT tab(Also know as "Soft-Patching") to assign the new PAN and TILT channels I just made to the PAN and TILT of my first fixture I wanted to use as a follow spot. For some reason I have found that the DMX OUTPUT works best if you also assign the channel you are using as a 1 for 1 patch as well. So in my case the patch looked like this:
    - Ch 19, my PAN outputs are patched to Ch 19+221. 19 affirms my one 1 for 1 patch and 221 is where the Pan is for the fixture I want to use.
    I then repeated with Ch 20, I patched Ch 20 to Chs 20+222.
    3. I then made a scene first for Pan with only it activated, a 255 step scene with each step speed of 00:00.05 with a fast transition, going from 0 DMX value, right up to 255 then saved it. Then I did the same for only TILT activated.
    4. I the put the PAN and TILT lightscenes into Live as a Preset Buttons, engaged my macro to strike the lamp, engaged my Preset Scenes, then dragged and dropped my Preset Sliders to the focus I want.
This process is still far from perfect. The Preset Sliders don't seem to have a button to click up and down with anymore. The "Drag and Drop" of the slider is not real time in the 3D imager. Once you drop the fixture will snap to that step. Right clicking and scrolling through 255 steps is a lengthy process.
But its a start to a process that may get improved.
For example:
1. A Live button with 2 faders for X(Pan) and Y(Tilt) for each moving fixture for adjusting palette focuses and for grabbing focuses on the fly.
2. Or the preset slider can be scrolled and clicked through up and down smoothly for live dialing in of a focus.

I don't know what is feasible, nor what Support would find a worthwhile feature but for now I am happy to hear anyones feed back, suggestions and experiences...
socalmagic
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by socalmagic »

I also use my intelligent lights as spots. I perform a large illusion show and the choreography is the same for each individual illusion, so I just have it spot the area that I'm performing at in the timeline. I imagine it is very difficult to use moving heads as a moving spotlight in a live performance. The option to take control of the lights with a joystick would be immensely helpful.
Pink LD
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by Pink LD »

I have never been a fan myself of using a joystick, I find them to flighty or to slow in response. But I am very comfortable using faders for X and Y focuses and manual tracking. I typically hang my spots in relatively the same position for each show and then point the body of the fixture toward the main area I will be spotting most frequently.
As I said, building the palettes was time consuming but they are relatively easy to utilize after that. Its better than having a complicated focus plotting and a moving light tracker, eh?
In Editor it has an X Y plot than you can drag in real time where you would like to point your light. So something like that or faders in the Live buttons would uncomplicate how I made it work.
Socal magic, do you have any videos of your shows for my reference to see what you are doing with your lights? I don't use timeline much except to build concepts for the band to review lighting design. But I have tabled the band consider taking the video and track engineer out of the equation and generating the lighting, click tracks, sound fx and video all from ShowXpress via a timeline. But I need to setup two audio stereo lines, one for their ears and the other to go to the PA.
chris226
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by chris226 »

If you have a suitable DMX console available, I'd just patch the individual XY faders to it for your three movers to it , and assign them "DMX Priority" or "Highest Takes Priority". If the console has sub-mastering capability you could use that it in its usual manor. If you use HTP, you may want to create a button in LIVE that will "disable" the XY channels for your spotlights, so your DMX console will be the only thing sending them data.

Connecting (splitting) the audio from your computer to your PA and band monitors is pretty simple, any sound tech should be able to help you do that.

I looked a the video on your website. Nice Show!

If your ever near KY, like mid Indiana; please let me know. I'll PM you my number.

Kind Regards,

Chris
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Pink LD
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by Pink LD »

Thanks Chris, I PM'd you back though I forgot to trade you my details. I'll fix that later.
As far as a wing console with patched XY faders. That is how I am doing it now but I'd like to see that become a backup position if I have to focus on the fly.
I am really curious first how many do use movers as follow spots. Second, how they go about it. Third, determine if there is a consensus on how best to go about it. And finally see what Support thinks about it as a feature and would they wish to incorporate it.
chris226
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by chris226 »

I agree with you; ShowXpress does very well for it's price.

FYI: To make ShowXpress more user friendly; I use a USB MIDI keyboard, and assign LIVE buttons to it. This set-up allows me to have 49 buttons (the number of keys on my keyboard) at my finger tips. It's really good for FLASH, strobe, blackout , and my most used effects. It also allows me to switch, several buttons at once. BTW, the keyboard only cost me $100!

Please let me know if you may be near KY.
Chris Ping
Light and Sound Tech.
Art Bar
Lexington, KY
pablovivi
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Re: Using Movers as Follow Spots

Post by pablovivi »

Hi there,
For those of you who are still trying to find a Follow Spot controller to patch to the box, look at this one :-)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270867352628?ss ... 195wt_1185

Looks pretty good to me...
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