Advanced Live control > Master Fader

[DHoude]

@Support, I think I understand for the most part. I think the Selected Group method for sliders is best. I agree with the the other 2 posts that these sliders should be user configureable. So I hope that method should allow some user specific control of what is linked to the slider.

1. Can you just give the slider a group name, from a group of fixtures in editor?
2. Am I right in understanding how you would configure the slider for a group?
3. If not, what defines the group? Is it one set of fixture in Setup?

Also, I can see how my other idea would be a bit redundant. Think big and norrow down right? I really just want to be able to turn down a group of fixtures so my scenes at 100% can be lower if I need to do that on the fly.

The configureation request (and thank you for listening this far) that I origionally had was to have a Bypass for certain buttons. So my RGB panels would dim all the solid on sceens. But when I build a scene with ON .05 sec to OFF .05 sec (for a syned up strobe), I want those full brightness. Then I can keep all my similar buttons together.

[support]

The idea of option '3'

a separate page (or a separate tab) with one master dimmer per group of fixtures (made in Editor)

is to assign one of the existing Editor groups to each slider. Then the slider will override the "fade channels" of the fixtures of the assigned group (other channels will not be affected).

I originally had was to have a Bypass for certain buttons. So my RGB panels would dim all the solid on sceens. But when I build a scene with ON .05 sec to OFF .05 sec (for a syned up strobe), I want those full brightness. Then I can keep all my similar buttons together.

We propose the option "Never overrided by faders" for buttons.

[JohnRichards]

@Support
I still have a problem with the route being taken on this. If the channels are not user-defined it could mess up a lot of setting.
For Example - current buttons that are being used would be :-
1 - RGB colours set at 255,64,128
2 - Dimmer set at 200
This applies to 1 group of LED fixtures
If the "Master Dimmer" is applied to the group reducing the values by 25% then
1 - RGB colours would change to 192,48,96 resulting in a different colour and dimmer
2 - Dimmer would change to 175
Total change to brightness would be close to 50%

I hope this sample conveys my concern

[support]

When moving proportionally RGB together, the "color" is supposed to not change ; only the "brightness" is supposed to change.
It should be possible to reach the desired brightness, without changing the color, by moving proportionally RGBdimmer together !
The most important is the % is same for R, G, and B, so the color does not change.

In your example, if -25% for RGBdimmer is not bright enough, just move the "future" fader a bit up to -20% or -15%, then you should be able to find the desired brightness, by keeping same color !

[JohnRichards]

@Support
Thanks for the answer.
Am I correct in assuming that if I move the "Master Fader" by -15% it will
1 - Dim RGB by 15% and main LED dimmer by 15% resulting in about 28% total dimming on Led fixtures
2 - ParCans in the same Group will only fade by 15%

[support]

In option '3' "Group method" (that DHoude seems to like), two master faders fix the problem:
- create one group for the RGBdimmer fixtures, and assign it to one master fader
- create one group for the RGB fixtures, and assign it to another master fader

It makes sence to control RGB of two different fixtures models with two different master faders, because the colorimetry is oftenly different. So even if we could disable "dimmer overriding", the brightness has a good chance to not match.

[JohnRichards]

@Support
Yes, I agree, but that then only suits D Houde.
What about all your other users.
My logic thinks that patching would be the best solution, and it would give the flexability to everyone.
Example
1- Fader Behind Scrim - patch 1(ParCan),2(ParCan),7(Led Dimmer)
2- Fader Front of Scrim - patch 3(ParCan),4(ParCan),11,14,17(Led Dimmers)
3- Fader Front of House - patch 5,6,25,26(ParCans)
4- Fader Washes - patch 30,42,56,70(Head Wash Dimmers)
Hope this makes sense!

[support]

What about all your other users

Other users do not comment.
First reason is certainely because what Live presently offers is enough for most of them .
Second reason is it is not easy to explain what you wish to have. They just wait and think they will like the final function.

Anyway, this is not the final choice, but so far, the "group method" could satisfy the RGBdimmer fixtures together with the RGB fixtures management.

The good point of the "group method" is there is no patch to build (means so easy for basic users).
We understand the "patching method" is much powerful. It should be possible to have both of them "group & patchng method" on same page (or tab) ; the biggest difficulty is an extra program for patching must be coded.

[jmd]

My opinion is the "Editor group" master fader sounds good. let's try it in a beta version !

[eedetail]

Could it not be as simple as adding a check box under each slider in editor,
which when checked would port that channels output through the master fader
while those not checked would not be affected?

I think that is what I would like to see. Then my chases i could easily re-configure
to pass thru the master fader, but not affect scenes including moving head fixtures.